Wednesday 22 January 2014

LMFAO Singaporean petitions Anton Casey's former employer HSBC

Okay, I was going to write a longer follow up on the Anton Casey case but I am just going to do a quick one for my readers for now. I was forwarded this link about this Singaporean petitioning HSBC about Anton Casey. LMFAO. OMFG. Do you know what is so hilarious about this?
I'm going to say this slowly, in very simple English that even a primary school kid can understand.

Anton Casey no longer works for HSBC.

He used to, in the past.

He no longer works there now. He works for Crossinvest Asia today.

You understand? Uncle Limpeh explain liddat you can understand or not? Or must I explain in Mandarin or Hokkien?
Casey used to work at HSBC, he now works at Crossinvest.

Now a lot of this misconception arose when these idiots on the forums started doing what they call 'CSI' - they google this guy and they look for details on him, which uncovered this page on Zoominfo. You see, all this information is in the public domain - there is nothing classified about it at all. But here's the part that confused these people who don't seem to understand the following terms, "Background" and "Employment History". Allow me to cut and paste from the Zoominfo page so you guys can see the information presented for yourselves, okay?

Background

Employment History

  • Senior Vice President
    HSBC
  • International Banking Centre Manager
    HSBC
  • Senior Portfolio Manager
    HSBC
  • Senior Portfolio Manager ( Team Leader
    SMART
  • Senior Wealth Manager
    Crossinvest Pte. Ltd.

speaker_bio
www.smartexpos.com, 1 Mar 2012 [cached]
Anton will give a useful insight into some of the more lucrative forms of alternative investments and he will uncover the value associated with some of these investments.
Anton Casey Senior Portfolio Manager (Team Leader), HSBCInternational Banking Centre Manager
Anton Casey heads the team of Portfolio Managers for theHSBC Expatriate Team as well as overseeing a select number of High Net Worth clients. Anton is both UK and Singapore MAS qualified and has an excellent understanding of international tax issues that affect expatriates. His areas of expertise are advanced portfolio planning, in particular global currencies & stock markets. Anton has been with HSBC for 7 years and started his career in financial services 11 years ago at a stockbrokers in the City of London.
Anton S Casey, Senior ...
www.smartexpos.com, 29 Mar 2009 [cached]
Anton S Casey, Senior Portfolio Manager, HSBC Bank International
SMART International Property Expo SINGAPORE 2007 - Exhibit at SMART - Why Exhibit
www.smartexpos.com, 1 Jan 2007 [cached]
Anton S Casey, Senior Portfolio Manager, HSBC Bank International
Anton S Casey, Senior ...
www.usagotit.com, 11 Oct 2009 [cached]
Anton S Casey, Senior Portfolio Manager, HSBC Bank International-
Our presentation was well marketed & ...
www.smartexpos.com, 1 Jan 2008 [cached]
Our presentation was well marketed & advertised in the local media for maximum exposure. - Anton S Casey, Senior Portfolio Manager, HSBC Bank International
Do you even know where Casey works today?

OK so as you can see, all these references about him and HSBC go back several years, they are not recent. And here's the punchline: Casey cannot work for HSBC and CrossInvest at the same time. What he does is a full time job, he is not some consultant who runs around, from company to company, working on multiple contracts at a time simultaneously at a number of different companies. Take this link that some people have used to conclude that Casey works at HSBC: note that the date of that link is 2007. So he was a speaker at an event in 2007 and that website reflects his employment status in 2007 (that's seven years ago) - this website merely displays information that was accurate at the time of the event and has not been updated in 2014. This source from 2007 has been used multiple times on social media. OMFG. Did you guys not see it was from an event way back in 2007? It's like if you picked up a document from 1993 from VJC, it would state that I was a first year student at VJC then. Would you then look at that document from 1993 and conclude that I am still a student at VJC today in 2014? Duh.

No, quite simply: he left HSBC to go work for Crossinvest. People change jobs, go to work for a different company - maybe it's for more money, maybe it's for a change of scene, maybe it's to explore a new opportunity, maybe it is the opportunity to work with someone special: there are so many reasons why people change jobs. Anton Casey changed jobs. He left HSBC for Crossinvest. Haven't you ever changed jobs at some point? 
Did anyone correct this EK Tan who published this open letter? No, everyone just blindly joined in and vented this anger, condemning everyone from Casey to HSBC to the government without pointing out that the letter is salah in the first instance... Even TR Emeritus didn't bother verifying the facts before putting it on their website. Duh. Aiyoh. Such a letter should be sent to Casey's current employer - not his former employer! Duh. And at first I thought, okay maybe given the way the letter was written in such a childish, immature way with sentences like this, "I hope HSBC does the right thing by S’poreans especially its local customers, and moves on the FT (where T stands for Trash not Talent) by the name of Anton Casey out of the bank." Erm, hello? Okay I am not going to be the English teacher here and start correcting his bad English - but I thought, maybe this is some old retired uncle who doesn't know anything about how banking works and I should not be a bully and make fun of him.

Then I visited his blog and realized that this guy EK Tan calls his blog, "Thoughts Of A Cynical Investor" and actually blogs about banking and finance. OMFG. He wants to blog about finance and he cannot even verify where Anton Casey currently works. How ridiculous is that? In any case, if you're in any doubt who is currently employing Anton Casey, please read the official statement issued by Crossinvest today. 
This is why I abhor the mob mentality of Singaporeans who are so angry they do not stop for a moment and think about what they are doing - so you want to boycott a bank that has employed Anton Casey in the past, some years ago? You are petitioning the bank to remove an employee who no longer works there and has not been working there for a few years? I can just imagine the reaction of the people at the HSBC HR department when they read this guy's petition. LMFAO. By all means, have your say, respond to Anton Casey, speak up and let the world know what you think - but engage brain before mouth, or in the case of the internet, engage brain before posting something stupid and salah online. Liddat very malu one leh, when you get it wrong like that. Aiyoh.

I grant you that Zoominfo is not a very good website and the information is not laid out clearly, in a chronological manner (like on Linkedin, which is a great website if you want to stalk someone). But I'd like to think that any student who has been through the Singaporean education system can be presented with some info on a website like Zoominfo, look at it carefully: analyze the data, make sense of it and not just read it without thinking. Come on people, it's not complex to make sense of the data - it's not so cryptic that it would take Sherlock Holmes to solve it. Is the problem then with the Singaporean education system, where students are so spoon-fed that they lack the basic ability to make sense of a slightly confusing website? How are they going to solve even more confusing problems in real life then? 

Anyway, this is why I am so glad that when I google "Anton Casey", guess what comes up number 1 (or at least very near the top, depending on what country's version of google you use?) Google knows who the voice of reason is.

Oh and may I finish with a clarification: I have read people online claiming that I actually know Anton Casey personally and that's why I have insight into this case. I may have dealt with his employers Crossinvest years ago on a professional basis and understand the wealth management industry in Singapore very well - but I have not actually personally crossed paths with Anton Casey ever. And here's the thing, I do not need to know him personally to make sense of the information I can get hold of him (such as via Zoominfo): I just have to make sense of it.

Update, part 5:  http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/the-sedition-act-and-anton-casey.html
part 6: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/the-british-reaction-to-anton-casey.html
part 7: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/a-very-hollow-victory-for-singaporeans.html

30 comments:

  1. Slapping my forehead as well. I believe there has been a brain drain - with all SIngapore's smartest and brighter having planted themselves abroad; and all that is left is just a bunch of fools and what I term as "little frogs sitting at the bottom of the well". Maybe you should look into this for a future post?

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    1. Hahahaha, wait I kena become the next Anton Casey and have a hate campaign of angry Sngaporeans petitioning the company that I used to work for in 2008, then how? Alamak!!!

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    2. Lol I just google your name with your country behind and I found out who you are working for. The company name starts with the letter "I" and you went to UCL...

      Alex I feel that you should be more careful not to reveal your full name on the internet,because,
      1) the internet is not your friend
      2) people take note of you

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    3. Oh, you're new to my blog I see.

      So you won't aware of how I was the victim of a massive hate campaign last year in Singapore. Long story, but even my sister was being targeted by my haters.

      It's like... dude, people already know who I am and in hindsight (after enduring the massive hate campaign of 2013) yeah, maybe I should have been more careful, but at this stage, people already know exactly whom I am - S'pore's not a big place. There are people who write to me and say, "you don't know me, but I have worked with your ex-classmate John and blah blah blah or I know your sister blah blah blah." The only alternative is to disappear completely - which I don't intend to do. I just have to make sure I don't offend people the way Anton Casey did.

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  2. Actually, no (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Personalized_Search). And btw this is a screenshot of what I got
    (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ZKl_zvY4qzk/Ut_YClJl0gI/AAAAAAAABbM/enY9Hm0INbY/w1043-h504-no/screenshot+1.png)

    If you really want unbiased search, log out of your account and clear your cookies. From there, you will really see how your blog ranks. :)

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    1. It's a fast moving story - in the last few hours it's been picked up by both the British and the Australian press now, so I expect my ranking to be pushed down when big British and Aussie newspapers get in on this story, that's to be expected lah.

      But at the very least, I have been reaping the rewards through Google Adsense and I did go to a Malaysian restaurant last night to have a lovely meal because of the money I've made as a result of this boost of traffic to my blog.

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    2. Luck of Fire, you have just made it so easier for anyone who wants to run a check on him. LIFT, don't take it for granted. Maybe you might want to censor that post or place it within another url. e.g. tinyurl.com or www.rarme.com. This is one fortune cookie you might want to take a bite for obvious reasons.

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    3. Huh? That link is actually linked to my nearly useless Google+ account which I was forced to have.

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    4. I am not sure which background you came from but In IT terms, it is still possible to perform "R.E" and mostly done by individuals who has the knowledge and skill to perform these advanced techniques. I won't share them publicly nor teach them to anyone for obvious reasons of privacy abuse as this case has demonstrated such security breach do occurred even in Facebook.

      To make it clear, I came across his blog recently and am not affiliated with LIFT but expressed concerns for him given the nature of sensitive issues surrounding us. I can see from his writings that he is a genuine and sincere person trying to offer helpful information and advices to those he cared about from his own experiences after what he has been through in our educational system. I don't come from a elite background so this kind of information he provides is worth its weight in gold and he is indeed very generous with his time and effort. Not many people will do that, in fact, i met none so far.

      All i can say over here without crossing any "line" is there are different ways to use various programming techniques and this kind of expertise is either trained from somewhere or being a 'G'enius like Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg. There are plenty of others out there wearing different hats but those two are famous enough anyone will recognize them right away.

      Don't look so shock. There are many things in life we know nothing about and some kid just breeze through at the end of the day. The chinese quote "One mountain is higher than another mountain". Just an example to prove the point, Limpeh writes simply in standard English, and yet i always struggled so much in English that i barely passed them during exams despite scoring "A" in other subjects. Am i jealous with Limpeh, yes of course but i would rather work on improvement than being in envy. I have early brain surgery due to a mishap so that might have also affected the way i think about English. Yeah, such is life and it is never fair.


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  3. Just the other day at lunch i was commenting to a colleague that I'm still waiting for all the hate to focus on Cecilia Cheung. She came to Singapore to stealing the jobs of locals and her kids are also stealing the places in of the precious local kids in schools.

    Plus there was that sex scandal (juicy) and the divorce and you know how Singaporeans are all so high and moralistic.

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  4. Wondering if you might have noticed a trend of late. Singapore has been in the news for all the wrong reasons to name a few:

    Forbes article on a possible economy meltdown
    Little India riot
    Mega church in an unholy spotlight

    This is not even counting the numerous times Singaporeans have lost their cool with the expat community and having the story picked up by the international media.

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    1. Hi Alveenoo - the story has been picked up in the British media and I have had a look at the responses and there are two running themes here. Firstly, many are saying that when you are in another country, you should exercise caution and avoid getting into trouble like this, because it is just not worth it if you're living and working in that country, to get into trouble over something stupid like that.

      Secondly, there are people who have talked about the 'lynch mob' mentality and the way some Singaporeans have clearly overreacted to a facebook comment - it does come across as an intolerant society, a scary place, especially with questions raised about 'death threats', like nobody disputes the fact that Casey was a big mouth who said something offensive and very stupid, but death threats? Really? Over this?

      How do you think Singapore as a society comes across in a West, when there is so much emphasis on the death threats then? "You insult Singaporeans using public transport, I will kill your family." Is this a proportional response?

      Look out for my next installment on the issue on this.

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    2. Based on personal interaction while studying in the US, the view of Singaporean society is one of being strict and law-abiding. This was back in 2001 and conclusions were being drawn on the Michael Fay incident.

      Of late, the view seem to be that of an intolerant lot. The May 2012 accident involving Chinese national Ma Chi elicited a very angry and ugly backlash from Singaporeans. Then, there was the photo with the placard message 'Singapore for Singaporeans' during one of the rallies at Hong Lim park last year. That photo had my German brother-in-law (expat in Singapore) comparing the view put across in the photo to how Germany was before the outbreak of the second world war.

      As to the question of being a proportional response, no matter how obnoxious a statement Casey made on FB, it does warrant the kind of response encountered online. Why in the first place do people get so worked up? Life is too short to be getting pissed at every little thing.

      Look forward to your next installment.

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    3. Well I have already done a post on what the west thinks of S'pore: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/how-rest-of-world-sees-singapore.html but I can also do a follow up specifically asking them on their impressions on this case since it has made the press in the UK. But do bear in mind the fact that the British public do not carry all that emotional baggage that S'poreans have against FTs - their take on the situation is quite different.

      As for why people get so worked up over Casey, my simple answer is that he is the last straw that broke the camel's back - a rather unfortunate position to find himself in really. He is a scapegoat, a focal point for all the hatred of Singaporeans who are just fed up with the way things are in S'pore - then he presents himself as a nasty Angmoh, so all the Singaporeans conveniently use him as a punching bag.

      Was he dumb to get himself into this predicament in the first place? Of course, but death threats ? And all these people attacking his son?! Good grief. It's gone way too far. Singapore's international reputation has already been damaged by this case.

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    4. Yeah, spot on LIFT. Since coming across your blog two weeks ago, I have been very impressed and inspired as well with most of your well-written articles examined with microscopic lens which helps us to understand the many underlying issues we are facing at this moment. There is a much bigger force at play over here that not many realised or are capable of understanding how each part functions in actual reality. This case has shown us a side of it, depending on which side of view you are taking on and usually the decision tend to be made from the side which benefits the most out of it.

      On the ground, there is already a much bigger issue than any of us could handle here. Of course the power-that-be will play the ignorant card till its last breath knowing full well it has full control of its own instruments and will seek to immunised itself against certain groups of individuals by performing the same tricks the last time they were in the same circus. Oh my, people here are still as ignorant and remain oblivious to what is going on behind the scenes when in actual fact lots of props are so close to them and glaringly obvious that it is so freaking unreal.

      Now, It is a matter of when the ugly monster will rear its head, and if it does, nothing good can ever come out of it. The signs are all over the place and yet people are either keeping their last vote of faith in you-know-who vs acting in cohesion against the tidal wave of sudden infant death syndrome. The cards are stacked against the odds.

      Since your last visit to Singapore, have you seen something quite obvious everywhere but was again disguised as good intention? There was another recent attempt to push forth a cart full of delicious apples but are actually rotten. So valuable they appear to be but yet so worthless in value and are nothing more than blue pills. Batons held in foolish hands and intolerant ego are a "serious" mix. Breaking the baton into canes and held with an unquestioning obedience is even worse. So sad is the affairs here but such is the reality that not many seems to realise but are slowly being pushed to the grind. The path to hell is paved with good intentions. So the saying goes.

      I think you may have seen it and i know where * but it obviously is not something i would like you to pen down further but would like to read because some people are not ready for it and when people get real excited and jump around everywhere. You know what happens next. Furthermore, i am not rich, not like some people you know. I am still following your blog as an ardent reader.

      I might be missing something here, but have you thought about writing further on your experiences working in exotic countries such as Turkey or Greece. There are some other suggestions i forget now, maybe i will tell you when i do recall. Seeing some ppl like reading foreign travel accounts, so just suggesting, no need to take it seriously lah...i like your style of writing, clear and lurid, just the kind which i shall take for a coffee break.

      p.s. Is there any way to copy out my texts from notepad into here..Blog entry totally jumbled up the spacings and made a mess out of everything. Sigh :(

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    5. Thanks for the feedback. I will try to do more travel writing - but the figures show that they are moderately warmly received (I do track hit rates for all blog posts). People like reading about celebrities rather than me and the top 3 celebrity couples on my blog are as follows: 1. Alvivi, 2. Anton & Bernice, 3. Sun Ho & Kong Hee. I guess that kinda shows me that it's not all about me, but what's topical, I suppose?

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  5. You Wrote:

    Anyway, this is why I am so glad that when I google "Anton Casey", guess what comes up number 1 (or at least very near the top, depending on what country's version of google you use?) Google knows who the voice of reason is.

    To Clarify:

    You are your own voice of reason for yourself ( Google both knows and makes this so ).
    Google tailors its answers to you and the searches you do, and what it knows or thinks you think is relevant.

    I find it no surprise that your blog, which you likely constantly Google and submit to Google turns up first on your own search results for anything.

    Others by the way do not necessarily, or likely at all, get the same results.

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    1. Two points for you.

      1. I had my IT guru run a test yesterday on Google Webmaster Tools and he said that my piece came up ranked 2.8 yesterday

      2. He warned me that it will drop as major newspapers get in on the story and that this is a moving target - it can go up or down as the story develops (probably down).

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    2. Some Guy is right.

      You have to get your friends who don't visit your blog to Google it, that will give you an accurate gauge.

      Our blog comes up tops if we google anything remotely close to it. But we aren't the tops for most search terms.

      Anyway I'm new to the ad bandwagon.. So can't really be bothered. I think to get the kind of traffic you do will take too much effort and we are not as efficient at writing as you are ;)

      If you ever pop by Melbourne or even Sydney/Adelaide, please let us know!

      -S

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  6. Hi Limpeh,

    I have read some of your posts, many of which I can identify with. You strike me as a very cosmopolitan person with very good opinions on various matters. If you don't mind, I would like to ask you for some advice.

    I did not come from a top JC, but I did score fairly well for my A levels in 2011. I just ORDed last December and I am due to start university this year. I have received a few offers from fairly good universities in the UK, but my family is unable to sponsor my overseas education. I do not want to take the risk of taking on a bank loan to study overseas, neither do I want to take a bonded scholarship. So I have resigned myself to studying at a local university.

    I want nothing more than to leave Singapore and migrate overseas as I think that Singapore is no longer a country worth working for and living in. To sum it up, I'd rather be a second class citizen in another country than to be a second class citizen in my own country. My plan now is to endure 3 more years to get a degree, apply for a first job overseas and get out of this country. I really have no intention to stay on after getting a degree. However, I am worried about how employers overseas view a degree from a Singapore university (I am going to study accountancy in SMU btw).

    Hence my question would be: Do big companies in countries like Aus, UK, Europe and other countries that you've been to hire fresh graduates from Singapore universities, taking into account the degree and university that I am going to study?

    Is it easy for a fresh undergraduate from a Singapore university to find employment in a first job overseas?

    Thank you for your time.

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    1. Hi and thanks for your question. The answer is no, it is highly unlikely unless there are special niches that you can fit into - for example, in Australia, the mining industry is expanding and they are constantly sending fresh graduates to work where the ore is being extracted. All mines are run like businesses and need accountants, so if you're willing to go work in some Aussie mine in the middle of the desert, then chances are you can get the visa and work permit for it - but if you're dreaming of waltzing into an entry level job in New York or London, then it's highly unlikely.

      Yes you can find employment overseas, but it will often be in niche areas - eg. let's stick with mining for example, say if the mining company opens a new mine in rural Laos and wants to populate the office there but can't find the accountants from the rural Laotian population, then they will gladly give someone like you a chance if you're willing to rough it out in Laos with the company, get the work experience, and prove yourself.

      I'm sorry if I am not telling you what you want to here, but there are strict rules concerning how the UK (for example) employs foreign talents: the stress is on the talent. There is a long list of criteria that you have to meet (highly trained, highly skilled, earn a lotta money, v experienced) - you gotta tick all of those boxes before you can get a work permit: a basic degree does not tick those boxes. Yeah in a sense it is to protect their local graduates from foreign competition for entry level positions.

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    2. Let's take the UK and Australia as an example. Say a Singaporean goes to a reputable UK or Australian university to study as an international student, is it easier for them to find a job there after graduation as compared to local graduates?

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    3. Now your question is flawed - it is always easier for a local Brit/Oz to find a job locally than a foreigner because of the work permit situation.

      But I think you have mistyped your question so I will answer the question I think you wanted to ask instead (correct me if I am wrong) "is it easier for a Singaporean student who has studied at a UK university to find a job in the UK after he has graduated from a British university, if he has already spent 3 to 4 years there?"

      Somewhat easier, because they can start making contacts, understanding the local job market, finding out where these gaps are. Don't forget, foreign students still don't have the right to work in UK/Oz just because they were educated at a university there, but they have 3 years to find the right loop hole in the job market to dive into. It is a lot harder to do the research, find the right people to talk to, network with the relevant companies etc when you are not even in the same country - a lot of these boils down to networking: what you need is information. You need someone to say, "oh yeah my mate Fiona told me that her company has recently (blah blah blah) - I can put you in touch with her as her HR department are recruiting and they need (blah blah blah), she is always happy to look at your CV as this project is (blah blah blah) and they may be able to help you." It's stuff like that. In Singapore we call this 'pull-string' - so much in the business world depends on successful networking.

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    4. Sorry about the phrasing of the previous question, you interpreted my question correctly. To sum it up, Singaporean students studying in overseas universities find it a little easier to enter the overseas job market due to networking and not because of the fact that they were educated there?

      In general, do you think most Singaporean students who go to uk/aus for university studies succeed in finding an entry level job there after graduation or do they usually come back to Singapore to work?

      If my goal is to eventually work overseas in an office job within the shortest possible time from now, do you think I should just endure 3 more years and get a local degree or take a loan and study in a uk university?

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    5. Sorry about the incorrect phrasing, you interpreted my question correctly. So, what you are saying is that it is slightly easier for Singaporeans who go to overseas universities for studies to find entry level jobs there after they graduate due to networking and not due to the fact that they graduated from a university there?

      In your opinion, do most Singaporeans who go to uk/aus universities succeed in finding entry-level jobs in the country after they graduate or do they come back to Singapore to work?

      I just read your jilted lover post which has only made me more determined to leave this country as soon as possible. What do you suggest I do at this point in time? Do I endure 3 more years to get a local degree or do I take a loan and go to uk to study? I really, really don't want to work here after getting a degree. Any advice?

      Thank you.

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    6. Yup, but there is no benefit per se in terms of getting over that barrier to gain a work permit - it just means that you have 3 to 4 years to network your way around, get to know people who can help you and identify the right loophole to jump through - all this would be difficult if not impossible should you be in another country.

      Most S'poreans who study abroad do return to S'pore after they graduate because many of them actually do want to (for their families).

      I can't tell you what to do - because there's no guarantee that you would be successful in your networking whilst you're in the UK. A lot of that depends on how good a networker you are and I can't say for sure whether you will be wasting your money or if it is worth trying.

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    7. Sorry to hawk my blog here but LIFT, you know it's relevant.

      To TheResignedOne,
      My wife and I have migrated to Australia. Check out Neurotic Ramblings of a Singaporean Couple.

      Not directly relevant since you want out pronto. But can I interest you in a teaching or nursing career? That holds the door wide open for you. If you want an accountancy degree from SG, it's going to be way tougher.

      -S

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  7. Latest update: Anton Casey run to Perth

    #anthonycasey #antoncasey #bernicewong #williampoh #perth


    More stories and his saga at HILLYTING.COM

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